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I understand a little better.  I was hoping to use the bbox (or hull) to extract tight bounding box dimensions of a cell containing many elements, ignoring such rotated bounding boxes of child cells. As you say, the hull of basic elements intentionally matches its bounding box, leading to a similar issue in this case. I thought to try something like “instantiate=False” in the child cell, and/or “hull=True, hull_based_bbox=True”, but no luck. Do you see a way to do this?